justice kennedy is watching him .o datday the united states district judge from virginia who has presided over several trials, including one we will discuss today, the trial of zacarias moussaoui. prof. elizabeth hillman of the hastings school of law at the inner -- at the university of california, and edward mcmahon and robert spencer. we look forward to hearing from our distinguished panelists. they will make brief presentation and have interplay and we will have about 20 minutes for questions at the end bridge i will turn it over to professor goldsmith. -- 20 minutes for questions at the end. i will turn it over to professor goldsmith. [applause] >> thank you very much, and that you so much for inviting me to be on this wonderful panel today. as a judge dismissed said, we are nearly nine years after 9/11 -- judge smith said, we are in nearly nine years after 9/11, and we have not yet begun to figure out what to do and how to incarcerate and capacitate alleged terrorists. the bush administration in the last -- and in the last year- and-a-half, the obama administration as well, have comm